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SegaCultX
I LOVE PS2 Posts: 158 |
 posted 09-30-2000 05:31 PM     
quote: Well well well, according to statistics, it was in 1997 when PSX begin to really sell millions and millions, it jumped from 11 million to what we see now, 70 million. It was that one year where PSX beat N64 and had 11 million consoles sold. Think about it, DC is in this same position, if they have 5 million users in total right now, and manage to sell 4 million more in the USA, and give away 2 million via the free DC deal, then Sega will have sold 11 million units, this is the same amount PSX had in 1997. In 1996 N64 launched and PSX beat N64 in sales, PSX launched in 95 so, it was out for 2 years when this happened, JUST like the DC launched in 99, xmas 2001 will be its second year. 11 million units within 2 years DC can actually reach this number, when PSX reached this number, PSX was considered a success, even though N64 was right behind it and even Saturn wasnt too far behind, it didnt matter, PSX had won. How many PSX were sold in the US at that time? 7 million. so it took 7 million PSX owners to make PSX a success. IF DC has 3 million now, and sells another 3 million, thats 6 million in the US alone, if they give away a million or two, then that makes the number even higher.
quote: Hit titles is something Sony wont have if Xbox takes all their exclusives, and the Xmas season is the best time to sell consoles according to statistics, so dont expect PS2 to be selling millions in the middle of spring, and 1.4 million just isnt enough. Nintendo with their N64 said the exact same thing Sony has said with their PS2, They said the N64 would wipe the PSX right off the face of the earth. quote:
Remeber this? The same hype tactics Nintendo used, Sony is now using. And Nintendo hyped up N64 far more than Sony hyped up PS2. The system which sells fastest at the start is deemed a success, the system which gets outsold is deemed failure. More proof? 1995 quote: PSX was only 1 million units ahead of Saturn in 95 and Saturn was considered a failure. DC will be many millions of Systems ahead of PS2. Source: http://www.monitor.ca/monitor/issues/vol3iss10/gamebeat.html
quote: Source: http://pf.fastcompany.com/online/10/sony.html Seem familiar? How many units did DC sell? 3 million in the USA? THIS WAS IN 1996! PSX therefore sold 2 million units Xmas 96, N64 sold alittle over a million, PSX therefore was declared the winner. DC has a 3 million unit lead already, if DC sells 3 million more, this means DC will continue to have that 3 million unit lead in the USA, same situation N64 was in back in 96 and the statistics back me up. After the Saturn, Industry Experts, Magazines, Retail Stores, All started spreading the rumor that Sega is leaving the hardware bussiness, Segas Image was ruined. Image is what controls all of this, Sega is rebuilding their Image and doing a good job right now, Sony is fighting to defend their Image of "Greatest Console Company Of All Time" Makers of the "Greatest Console of All time" But once upon a time, Nintendo and Sega had these titles. IT only took one mistake by each of them to lose this title, Now Sega has the Image of the failure of Saturn, and N64 has the Image of being a kiddie system. Why doesnt anyone remember the SNES which had mortal kombat 2 full of blood, Killer instinct, or any of this? No, They just remember Mario, Pokemon and stuff from N64. People who speak of Sega dont remember the genesis, They just remember the Saturn, 32X, SegaCD which they most likely never even owned. IF Sony screws up this year with PS2, Sony wont get a second chance, Their Image will be ruined and they will have to start all over again Just like Sega and Nintendo have had to do in the past. quote:
If PS2 loses to DC, DC now becomes the system everyone expects to dominate. quote:
quote: Software developers still havent caught up and its october. The media already believes PS2 has had a "lukewarm" critial reaction. Another lukewarm critical reaction in the USA equals failure, even core magazine seems to hint toward that. quote: Looks like EA is working really hard on making good games for the PS2, if PS2 game sales arent high due to a low userbase, EA is going to be very pissed off at Sony, EA expects PS2 to totally dominate and sell 100 million consoles just like PSX, if EA finds out that it was all hype and PS2 doesnt outsell DC, EA will be the first company to leave PS2 and go to Xbox or Some other company.
quote: EA is basically saying, if the console is too difficult to develop for, if the console cant make them any money, then they will go straight to Nintendo and Microsoft.
This is exactly why lots of companies decided to take the wait and see with Dreamcast. These companies may lose many millions of dollars if DC wins this Xmas, They took a major gamble believing Sonys hype and believing Sony would be able to produce enough units. Other companies decided to support PS2 after its success in Japan, Namco for example, but then we have American companies like midway who will support the company with the biggest userbase in the USA, so far thats DC, if PS2 doesnt win, the US developers will all be on DC for sure, even EA may develop games for DC because they do have development kits.
Once third parties leave, Sony has no first parties like Nintendo and Sega to fall back on. Sonys chances of failing therefore are higher than Sega and Nintendos because they cannot survive without their third parties. [This message has been edited by SegaCultX (edited 09-30-2000).]
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Jumpman
 Senior Member Posts: 565 |
posted 09-30-2000 05:34 PM
We dont care who wins,as long as we can play PSX2 we will be happy. Can you please shut up about Sega? This is a godanm PSX2 forums,not anything esle. 
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Chrono
Posts: 760 |
posted 09-30-2000 05:35 PM Hmm, you felt you had to make a topic out of this post you already posted. LOL Are you that desperate? You forget one thing 3 Words: Give it Up!
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DeathBLow
Member Posts: 137 |
posted 09-30-2000 05:44 PM 
Damn SegaX! How the hell do you get this stuff..I swear to go you should get a job in marketing..Youd be able to make some company very profitable. I beleive you 100 percent.
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Hawke
Senior Member Posts: 525 |
posted 09-30-2000 05:45 PM
I didn't bother to read all that. But I can draw one conclusion : SegaCultX obviously has no life.
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Ryu
Posts: 718 |
posted 09-30-2000 05:48 PM
If we based all sales figures on the past, you'd think that Sega Saturn would have been a smash hit and N64 would have dominated the last generation. Unfortunately, that was never the case for either console b\c Sony handed them their ass... Kinda like how I hand you yours everytime you say something retarded and idiotic. Dude, you can post all the OLD numbers you want, but you cant predict the future, especially not when it's from the perspective of a Sega evangelist in a PS2 forum. ------------------
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Ktulu
Senior Member Posts: 504 |
posted 09-30-2000 05:49 PM
Proof that this is unrelated to this generation: The PSX didn't get it's millions until after the first year? Garshk. I wondersk why. BECAUSE IT WAS NEW TO THE GODDAMN INDUSTRY. Damn, you completely missed the forest for the trees. PSX launched in 1995. At that time, nobody had heard of Sony the console maker. Nobody knew of their franchises (Gran Turismo, Tekken, Twisted Metal, Crash, etc). Who in their right mind would buy this unknown machine, particularly after the recent 3DO and Jaguar fiasco's. PSX's first sales year is as relevent to PS2's as Saturn's first sales year is relevant to the Dreamcast's. These are completely unrelated, have nothing whatsoever to do with one another. It's crazy to compare. Sony is known now. The PSX was following.. um... NOTHING. The PS2 is following arguably the most successful game console in history. BIG difference. quote: Please give me a link to the list of "PS2 exclusives" that are confirmed for the X-Box. Thanks. quote: Again, N64 went cartridge. Had they been CD, they may have been successful because Sony was unknown as a console maker at that time. quote: Uh huh. Because the Saturn sold a paltry 100,000 units in 6 months. THAT may be why they called it a "failure". (Gee, PSX must've had 1.1 million sales then). quote: You forgot 32X, Sega CD, and Sega Nomad. Not too mention Virtual Boy. N64 did NOT fail. It's got over 20 million sales in the US - despite the asinine decision to go cartridge. N64 overcome a HUGE mountain; by all rights, it should've failed worse than the Saturn. quote: Because they couldn't afford them. Fine systems, poorly supported, over priced. The Genesis was what, back in '93? That's seven years ago. Sega was unable to keep their big name franchises in the limelight last generation because of the Saturn. THAT's why everyone forgets the Genesis; there were no Sega franchises as visible as Sony's last gen. The rest of the stuff, about third parties, is purely speculation.
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SegaCultX
I LOVE PS2 Posts: 158 |
posted 09-30-2000 05:54 PM
quote: Support doesnt help to determine the success or failure of a console, the media, the retailers, the gamers and the third parties determine the success of a console. Right now the third parties support PS2, The retailers right now are pissed at Sony and will most likely support DC, and the Media is waiting to see if PS2 lives up to the hype and if it doesnt PS2 will lose support from the media. I showed you that N64 hyped their system up in the same way, the industry make stupid claims on how N64 would outsell PSX the instant it was released, but that didnt happen, eventually the hype wore off and people saw that N64 was just another system and that PSX was outselling N64, once that happened PSX sold 20 million consoles. This post isnt the same post as before, its been extended and refined. And N64 and Saturn couldnt have won, if you read the history of consoles, N64 pissed off retailers, the media, the third party and the gamer, As did Saturn.
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Jumpman
Senior Member Posts: 565 |
posted 09-30-2000 05:58 PM
Segacult we dont give mo-hawk-shit about what you say anymore. "Sega will win because Saturn failed" "Sony will lose because their pissing people off" Blah blah we dont care. We care about PSX2 and not DC.SO SHUT UP!!!! Yake a bow,you earned it. 
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Chrono
Posts: 760 |
posted 09-30-2000 06:03 PM quote: SegaCultX, the biggest hypocrite I have seen
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SegaCultX
I LOVE PS2 Posts: 158 |
posted 09-30-2000 05:59 PM
quote: This generation is no diffrent than any other generation. Sony was known to make quality hardware before they got into gaming, and they are still known to make quality hardware, Those games you mentioned were not made by Sony and Sony is still not known for making Quality software. quote:Why dont you ask revendXbox, I'm sure he has plenty of links. quote: I dont see any gamers complaining that N64 is cartridge, Only third parties complained about that, once against N64 pissed off third parties, PS2 has no modem, big deal. quote:Saturn sold 400,000 units in 6 months, 500,000 units its first year in the USA. PSX sold 1 million. When comparing numbers, we compare the numbers which were signifigant at the time, The competition only sold 500,000 more units than Saturn and was considered a success. quote:less than 5 million people owned all those systems combined, the Market is a market of 100 million, so thats 5% who owned those systems, most likely the hardcore gamers. It plays no effect on anything. Saturn is a diffrent story, Saturn had 5 million users if not more, So saturn failing did effect Sega just as N64s Image is now that of a kiddie system because they had to rely on pokemon and kiddie games to save them. quote: Saturn had good games, Saturn had a bad Image.
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Hawke
Senior Member Posts: 525 |
posted 09-30-2000 06:22 PM
Err.... Q : What the hell is the point of all this? We all know PS2 is not gonna fail. I think no console is gonna fail. They all will have their followers, and people who are really into gaming will probably buy most of the machines. Why the hell would anyone hope for something like a console failing? More consoles = more games. And we can all pick the console(s) of our liking and have fun, WITHOUT bitching to others how their console sucks/will fail and preching how your own favoured piece o' plastic and circuitry is the creation of God himself. Pity the fool(s).
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Living-In-Clip
Senior Member Posts: 320 |
posted 09-30-2000 06:31 PM
Advice SegaCultX:...Next time you make a thread. Name it something like.. "PS2 is going to suck! I got the bullshit facts to back me up!" Cause it never fails, you come across with the dumbest most pointless threads on the whole board.
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Draven
Posts: 574 |
posted 09-30-2000 06:32 PM
I love my DC. ------------------
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Zenogias
Senior Member Posts: 354 |
posted 09-30-2000 06:37 PM Let's all remember here that we're dealing with DC, PS2, GC, and XBOX here, not PSX, Saturn, and N64. Other dynamics that have changed are storage formats (no more cartridges), the internet, wider range of users, and obviously the entrance of newcomer Microsoft. We can only base our predictions on these old statistics so far, and then after that, we're left up to mainly speculation. Any number of things could happen between now and the end of this era. In a real war, everything isn't planned out from the beginning, not at all. You may have battle plans, but how often could the circumstances change? How about a surprise attack, or a coup, or an alliance? In fact, even one soldier/officer/leader could determine the outcome of a battle depending on his actions. This speculation can only get us so far, but like any war, expect surprises, and expect a fight. Most of all, expect big changes! Once all four consoles get out of the gate, maybe we can make a more accurate judgement, but until then we're wandering around with our eyes closed. -Zenogias
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Ktulu
Senior Member Posts: 504 |
posted 09-30-2000 06:37 PM
You don't give an inch, do you? You are 100% correct in your mind. You honestly believe that these generations are identical. quote: Yeah, and Panasonic makes quality hardware. Hows' that CD-I doing? How about the 3DO? This generation IS different. Completely different. You think people bought the PSX because Sony makes quality hardware? That's insane. People buy game consoles for games. Sony was an unknown console maker. I don't give a damn how good their TV's and stereo's are, nobody knew a lick about their game consoles. Nobody knew what games would be available. PSX didn't start gaining momentum for a year because gamers were uncertain of it and anticipating Nintendo's offering (a known quantity). Once N64 came out, the PSX library was much more impressive and marketing really took off. People bought Sega systems for Sonic, Nintendo systems for Mario. What the hell did Sony have? Warhawk? Twisted Metal? Destruction Derby? Jumpin Jack? Nobody knew diddly about these titles - OR their developers. Gamer's aren't Ralph Nader. They don't check to see how sound the hardware maker is. They want to know what franchises will be available. None of Sony's were recognizable. quote: Because he's not the one claiming that XBox will have all of Sony's exclusives next year. You are. You have the burden of proof. Otherwise, that piece of your argument is disposable. quote: Um, no. It sold 100,000 units in 6 months in the US. I was one of the people that bought one at launch. According to Next Generation magazine, the Sega Saturn had 100,000 sales in it's first 6 months. The N64, however, had 4 - 500,000 in it's first 6. quote: Sorry Mr.Stone, there was no "great conspiracy". Saturn didn't have poor sales because of "image". It had poor sales because of piss poor marketing, a $400 price tag (that'd be like $550 today), 5 launch titles, a long ass wait for sports titles, consumers disappointed with Sega CD/32X, and disgruntled retailers. Not too mention a machine offered a few weeks later with more games and a $100 cheaper price tag. The Saturn is an amazing machine with some truly great titles. But it was killed by price, invisibility, competition, and lack of early support. But, seriously, you are insane if you honestly believe that the PS2 will sell no better than the PSX it's first year. NOBODY was waiting for the PSX. Nobody owned the PS -1 (negative one). The PSX was Sony's first outting; their chance to gain customer approval. The PS2 is following up a console that sold 70+ million units and already has more sales than the PSX had in it's first year. You just cannot deny that. That's craziness.
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SegaCultX
I LOVE PS2 Posts: 158 |
posted 09-30-2000 08:30 PM
Oh really? quote: Well lets see, PS2 is over priced, PS2 hasnt had any marketting at all, PS2 is going up against an easier to develop for cheaper system, wow looks very simular.
quote: Now those games are reconizeable, recognizeable as being crappy rehashes, along with tomb raider and wipeout. quote: Guess you havent read any of his posts, I have and he proved that all of PS2s big games are coming to Xbox, Metal Gear Solid, Madden, Resident Evil. quote:Ok it came out in may, 6 months from may is november, So you are saying from november to december Saturn sold 400,000 units? riiight. What i know is Saturn sold 500,000 units after its first Xmas season, I was also a Saturn owner, And According to the sites I posted Saturn sold 500,000. Post your article from next generation or shut up. quote: I see you've fell for the Hype, This proves my point and gives me instant credibility that Image is more important than anything else, You believe because PSX was a success that PS2 will also be one. Just like people believed N64 would sell more units in one day in japan than PSX sold in its entire lifespan, Well, they were wrong, chances are you are wrong too. Hype means nothing, If sony loses their Image sony is nothing. Its not like they have tons of good Sony made games to help them like nintendo had pokemon.
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MeTaL=DeaTh
Senior Member Posts: 697 |
posted 09-30-2000 08:33 PM
by the way SegaCultX,that is not fact but speculation...anybody can come to whatever conclusion of the outcome of the next gen wars but no one in the world will know the answer,now that is fact!
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SegaCultX
I LOVE PS2 Posts: 158 |
posted 09-30-2000 08:36 PM
I never claimed it was fact, I claimed my speculation was backed up by facts, so you cannot dispute my opinion unless you have facts backing up your own. I am tired of seeing people claim i am wrong and not even have any facts to back up anything they say.
The first company which usually makes a critical error, usually gets outsold, and once it gets beat that xmas, the public opinion of that system changes. Nintendo and Sega made critical errors and Sony capitalized on them. [This message has been edited by SegaCultX (edited 09-30-2000).]
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Soul Reaver
Posts: 725 |
posted 09-30-2000 08:50 PM
quote: Me too!
The new Sonic bad guy looks cool! Kewl, I say! Kewl! ------------------
***Peter Moore Comments on PS2 Shortages*** "It seems that Sega will be doing its best to turn the upcoming war into a Genesis vs SNES thang." True story...
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Soul Reaver
Posts: 725 |
posted 09-30-2000 08:52 PM
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Sony! Sega! Nintendo! Microsoft!
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***Peter Moore Comments on PS2 Shortages*** "It seems that Sega will be doing its best to turn the upcoming war into a Genesis vs SNES thang." True story...
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Waspman
Member Posts: 173 |
posted 09-30-2000 08:57 PM
i bet this thread gonna close ......
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Crippler
Posts: 716 |
posted 09-30-2000 08:56 PM
Do we care if it sells the most. We only care about playing it. Damn Fanboys, POINTLESS THREAD!
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Soul Reaver
Posts: 725 |
posted 09-30-2000 09:02 PM
Crippler, your pic is scaring me! 
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***Peter Moore Comments on PS2 Shortages*** "It seems that Sega will be doing its best to turn the upcoming war into a Genesis vs SNES thang." True story...
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ddaryl
Posts: 1580 |
posted 09-30-2000 09:13 PM
This one definitely belongs in the FOOLS Archive
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DeathBLow
Member Posts: 137 |
posted 09-30-2000 09:15 PM
I know i dont care if it fails!! It will deliver a couple great games like the PSX and the rest of course will suck salty chocolate balls. Just like the PSX's library. I'll still play the games..I'll just be enjoying my Dreamcast even more if Sony's machine were to bomb...No biggy to me because Sony doesnt make any good 1st party games that I would want anyways. When you think about it who needs Sony? They did their job bringing gaming even more mainstream both good and bad and now they have nothing more to offer! Wow..that makes sense to me!
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MeTaL=DeaTh
Senior Member Posts: 697 |
posted 09-30-2000 09:23 PM
quote: have you looked at the title of your very own thread lately SegaCultX?? i agree with ddaryl,this is should be archived...
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SegaCultX
I LOVE PS2 Posts: 158 |
posted 09-30-2000 10:13 PM
I said i have the facts to back up my conclusion, I never said my conclusion was fact.
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Chrono
Posts: 760 |
posted 09-30-2000 10:17 PM quote: I second that
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ddaryl
Posts: 1580 |
posted 09-30-2000 10:18 PM
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"i have the facts to back up my delusion, I never said my delusion was fact."
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DeathBLow
Member Posts: 137 |
posted 09-30-2000 10:23 PM
DDaryl..Consider yourself lucky..I like you for the fact that your a Dead Head like me and that your a smart person..But lets not give into the hazing. Give SegaX his credit..He never said PS2 sucks or anything of that nature, he just explains why he believes he wont think it will suceed with facts. Then states his opinion, yet you guys are so quick to jump on him.
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ddaryl
Posts: 1580 |
posted 09-30-2000 10:24 PM
I was teasing him, but he is delusional IMO. SOny will, and I guarentee it, outsell Sega and the DC without a problem. but the argument is useless cause I don't feel like hunting down all the info to disprove him and type out 20 paragraphs of stuff that I'm sure he won't really read. besides this is a Sony forum where SOny bias resides. I really
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MeTaL=DeaTh
Senior Member Posts: 697 |
posted 09-30-2000 10:35 PM
Deathblow,lets not get so hasty here,first if SegaCultX can use the past facts to claim this sort of nonsense will be applied to future forecast of console survival,then i can bring up the same conclusion that DC will die like the Saturn because of past facts...she how stupid that logic is??
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Crippler
Posts: 716 |
posted 09-30-2000 10:37 PM
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Im the Baby Sitter Murderer. Michael Myers [This message has been edited by Crippler (edited 09-30-2000).]
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Dojo?
Senior Member Posts: 328 |
posted 09-30-2000 10:42 PM
SegaCultx, you are so wrong. The difference is that the PSX had ALL of the 3rd party support. Much unlike the DC.
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