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Dolbytone
Posts: 600 |
 posted 10-05-2000 02:05 AM     
It occurred to me today that purchasing a console isn't really like the purchase of any other thing that one would normally buy. You go and buy a car, choosing a car for what it is, and what it will do. You buy a chair, or a table... you pretty much know before hand what you're going to get out of the deal... ...and now Sony is selling us a gaming console that we purchase not for what it does right now per se, but what it will do for us in the future, I mean, if something catastrophic happened and other than launch titles there were no more games released would you say you got your money's worth? I know, I know (it plays DVDs) but I can go and get one of those for less money. What this means to me is that the money I shell out for a PS2 is not strictly for the acquisition of the hardware, but for the promise that there will be something for me to play on it, the promise that there will be something good for me to play on it. I don't know for sure that I'll like any of the games that are slated to be released in the future... what if they're all fighters and Army Men games? After all... a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. What's the point in worshipping a hunk of hardware... when we all know it's the GAMES that really make us happy... sweat... frustrated... It's the GAMES that make us go FRICKIN' WOW!. Yeah, I know it's a symbiosis... can't have one without the other music/radio ~ VCR/videotapes. It's just that compared to these, Sony has a miniscule (like Don Diego's nuts) library... a library of which almost all of the titles can be played on the current Playstation. A library of which I already own the ones I want to play... and I'm buying another console to play games that I don't even know exist yet? So the question is this: Do you trust Sony? ------------------
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CPLesane
 Member Posts: 180 |
posted 10-05-2000 02:27 AM
 don't buy it then... don't you realize that these games are only first generation think about how good second and third gens. will be... developers have only scrached the surface of potential... look @ a screen for "madden 92" and "madden 01" side by side all came from the same hardware just managed better... anyways if you don't like don't buy it, but you'll be disappointed next year when the games are twice what they are now...
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Dolbytone
Posts: 600 |
posted 10-05-2000 02:40 AM
Dude, you totally missed the point of my post. Sorry for trying to make you think. ------------------
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Living-In-Clip
Senior Member Posts: 403 |
posted 10-05-2000 02:56 AM 
I got the point, and have to agree. Your buying a system for 300 dollars (or more) and then trusting in Sony that there will be killer games out. Trusting in Sony to handle developers properly,etc. It was an interesting point.
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CPLesane
Member Posts: 180 |
posted 10-05-2000 04:54 AM
i understand what your saying, but isn't that a little out in left field? you buy a television are you garunteed quality programing? you buy a dvd players are you garunteed decent titles will be printed? what the difference? i realize garunteed may not be correct. *my first reply was a little ignorant. i didn't really get to what you were saying, but aren't you taking a risk on everthing that depends on say software etc. to make it complete. if you but a new automobile, who's to say gasoline will continue to be produced...? i mean come on... ------------------ [This message has been edited by CPLesane (edited 10-05-2000).]
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Samwise
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posted 10-05-2000 06:00 AM quote: That's an interesting point as well...
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Jumpman
Senior Member Posts: 629 |
posted 10-05-2000 06:52 AM
Trust no one. And maybe you should see what kind of reviews these games get. If their good,buy it. If there not, then think about whatcha gonna do. Right now Sony doesnt have enough quality games at launch for me too buy.( my opinion)
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THE EYE
Senior Member Posts: 403 |
posted 10-05-2000 06:58 AM
Woooooah... Dolbytone please cool down !!! You started thinking about things that some whiseguys at SONY must have thought about 2 years ago... I mean, they don�t just throw some crap on the market and risk a lot of money, they thought about it VERY carefully... So I don�t see any risk at all ! I�ll only buy mine half a year after release, so it will be cheaper (hope so)... 
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Mu0n
Junior Member Posts: 29 |
posted 10-05-2000 09:15 AM
Dolbytone, you're finally seeing the light. Consoles are nothing -Mu0n
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Dolbytone
Posts: 600 |
posted 10-05-2000 12:27 PM
I am finally seeing the light? WTF? This is totally not the kind of open discussion I was hoping for. ------------------
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Turis
Junior Member Posts: 12 |
posted 10-05-2000 12:34 PM
quote: And we come full circle. A perfect illustration of not getting what you expected. Actually I can't think of any console that failed without leaving a least a few good games that made purchasing the console worth while.
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VP
Member Posts: 266 |
posted 10-05-2000 01:44 PM quote:  ___________________________________________________ Dolbytone, excellent post. I completley understand your thought process. It's a blind investment until there is enough software out that will justify that initial $300. Depending on the person, that software may be out in the first 6 months of the console, or it may not be out until the first 2 years. If you are a huge GT fan like myself, then my PS2 purchase may be about 50% justified with that game alone. I suppose by the time MGS2, Thief 3, ASB 2002, and Syphon Filter 3 come out, that margian will move up to 70% or so. And hell, let's make the DVD playback take up a good 30% to make the console a absolute worthwile purchase. So taking all that into account, the PS2 won't be completly "worth it" for me until sometime in 2002. A console purchase is definitely a gamble, and different users will be satisfied either: earlier, later, or in some cases never ,in the systems life. [This message has been edited by VP (edited 10-05-2000).]
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CygnusXI
Posts: 801 |
posted 10-05-2000 02:28 PM
DT, I get it. Yes, I do trust Sony. Not in a so-called (blind)fanboy way, but like this: I got the PSX when it first came out. At that time, Sony didn't know games from a hole in the ground. They got it right! That says a lot to me. I have been ABSOLUTELY satisfied with the PSX and games and accesories. NOW Sony has gained 6 years or so of experience. They have earned my trust. If they mis-use or abuse that trust, I will change my views and respect accordingly. That's why I belive the PS2 WILL be "all that" ....And a bag of chips Pla--sta--shun. ------------------ Console Bashers Suck!...You know who you are.
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8-P
Junior Member Posts: 3 |
posted 10-05-2000 02:41 PM
quote: I am going to have to disagree with this bud. When you buy a TV, you're guaranteed a set the gives you a clear picture and sound. Hopefully, something that no other TV on the market can offer. And the DVD player, they guarantee also a clear picture and beautiful sound. Neither ones selling points are the shows that come on or what movies are out in the market. But on the other hand, MGS2 is a big selling point of the PS2, so is GT3. So you are buying the PS2 for the games, but people don't buy TVs for the guarantee that there is going to be quality shows. That would be up to NBC, ABC, or HBO. Also it's up to Sony on what's released on the PS2 (even though they are very open, which is cool). It's not up to RCA to control what's on TV or DVD. They just give you the option of buying items to view them on. Comments on this topic. I would have to agree that it's a risk (right now) to buy a PS2. I want one, but I want to make sure that my library doesn't consist of GT3 and MGS2. I want more then that. So when 3rd parties start pumping quality games in to the system (which I am positive they will), I will trot my happy ass to Babbages and pick one up with a couple of games. But until then, I have my PSx, Dreamcast, and N64 to keep me happy. ::applauds Dolbytone for a good topic::
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ddaryl
Posts: 1713 |
posted 10-05-2000 03:06 PM
quote: Of course. I've seen the steady progession in the games in only 7 months. I realize the complexity of the hardware, and strongly feel we'll be seeing plenty of great games over the life of the console. Then there's the support of the machine. Sure a bunch of developers have signed on for other machines, but the majority of the developers are outputting 2x's as many games for the PS2, so that alone using my equation above adds up to a good buy. throw in my brand loyalty because of all the fun and the 0 (zero) problems I have had with my PSX so trusting SOny is an easy conclusion. Further add Sony's financial muscle, entertainment and multi-media expertise, and you just cannot lose. Will something be better, depends on the definition of better. If your having a great time, then what could possible be better, maybe another batch of good times, but never the less its still just good times and Sony will have that covered.
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akramh
Senior Member Posts: 528 |
posted 10-05-2000 04:05 PM very true DDaryL .. PS2 rules.. everything else sucks... Go Go Sony..
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ddaryl
Posts: 1713 |
posted 10-05-2000 04:28 PM
quote: for the record my reply said nothing like this, and IMO is completely untrue
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akramh
Senior Member Posts: 528 |
posted 10-05-2000 05:04 PM he he.. i know .. i just wanted to add some spice to what you said..
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Dolbytone
Posts: 600 |
posted 10-05-2000 08:25 PM
Now we're talkin! Cross-thread quote: quote: Granted they didn't get the launch titles that the rest of us will, but there's still a message here ~ Sega propaganda or no. It seems to me that Sony uses Japan as a testing ground... has been for years if you ask me, and Japan is finally sending Sony a message. They're no longer snapping everything up with no abandon. They're for the first time (IMO) being selective. I can see the MGS and GT3 point, but I need more than a couple of sequels to make it worth my while. By saying that these two games are enough for us is saying "We want another Tomb Raider game ~ We want more Spyro ~ Crash ~ We want MORE OF THE SAME! I don't think that's what the PS2 is supposed to be about. ------------------
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ddaryl
Posts: 1713 |
posted 10-05-2000 08:31 PM
On this one I don't know, I haven;t seen any news on the software sales besides what was posted here without reliable non biased sources to go with them. One thing is for sure look for a 3:1 ratio in the US by XMas IMO.
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krelian
Member Posts: 81 |
posted 10-05-2000 10:03 PM
Dude, I respect (and in a wierd way, agree with) where you're coming from, but Japan is NOT a freaking testing ground. Sony is a japanese company, therefore, japan gets the system first (alpha version). This doesn't mean that later versions of the ps2 won't come out for the Japanese market. It just means that they will almost always get the revised version before anyone else. It's the domestic release!! All of the major 3rd party companies such as square (final fantasy series and the bouncer), Konami (metal gear series and Z.O.E.), and capcom (Resident evil series and Street Fighter EX3) also reside in Japan. Does this mean that they get the crappy version?? No!! it means that they get all the most awesome games first (would you be angry for that?)!! They also release alot of other crap that are exclusive to the Japanese market only (ie., the xenogears and final fantasy memorials). I, personally, am just waiting to import The Bouncer and all the other games I mentioned above. They are sure hits in Japan, and they'll fly off the shelves (every Japanese dude and importer owning a ps2 is saving up for these titles)!! I don't mean to sound too ostentatious about Japan when I speak of them, but they deserve alot of respect for what they do for all of us. Great men like Hideo Kojima of konami, Horinobu Sakaguchi of square, and Ken Kutaragi of sony deserve atleast that!! (yes, and even Shigeo Miyamoto of nintendo) [This message has been edited by krelian (edited 10-05-2000).]
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antiquity3
Member Posts: 55 |
posted 10-06-2000 12:36 AM
I know what you're sayin'. We venture forth and buy a big bundle o' faith whenever a new console launches. There is cause for pause with any new system, sure, but it all comes down to a question of trust. To be honest, I have faith in the developers, not just those behind Sony, but those behind nearly every launch...okay not always at launch but eventually. Whoever it was that said even the miserable failures (relatively speaking) leave some terrific titles in their wake got it just right. It's all part of gaming. Now, to belabor a point, cause it's what I do, you do get more than a simple promise this go-round, more than a wisp of what might be a bright future. You made mention of the DVD yourself, but I think BC goes just as far in terms of value. We already know there will be quality titles to play on this thing because we already have a number of them in our reportoire. Might be a really expensive PSX in the long run, but it's so damn good-lookin' I'm willing to risk it! :{> ------------------
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Dolbytone
Posts: 600 |
posted 10-06-2000 01:03 AM
quote: Just what exactly do you think prompts these "later versions" anyway? The Japanese release (*cough* you said it yourself) or "alpha" version is nothing but a wonderful opportunity to conduct a broad user base test of the hardware. I for one don't mind either, just look at the changes that have been made to the PS2 since its first release. I don't want to use my new PS2 to keep my dinner warm after all... AND this not only applies to the hardware but many of the games that are released outside of Japan are improved or new features/options are added as well. ------------------
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antiquity3
Member Posts: 55 |
posted 10-06-2000 01:26 AM
"AND this not only applies to the hardware but many of the games that are released outside of Japan are improved or new features/options are added as well." Case in point, if I'm not mistaken, DOA2, TTT, RR5, etc...some of the big name games that were criticized and lambasted for being rushed and disappointing are now receiving high praise and are highly anticipated for their respective North American releases... ------------------
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