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Zypher
Sega fanboy, ignore me
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From: USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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 posted 06-05-2000 04:36 AM     
I know, I know. I'll most likley get harrassed for these statments, but we have uor opinions right? Well anyway here are my major conserns about PS2:
1.Will the hype do well when Americans notice the price?
2.Will it try to at least make a network of some sort to please many is not all of the American public that plays online games?
3.Will Aquare Soft pull the PS2 out of another hole like the PSX?
4.Even with all the support will gamers flock to the overly priced PS2 to get only a few games?
5.Is it really that hard to program for?
6.Will DVD play matter to the large population that already owns DVD players?
7.Can PS2 suceed with it's backword compadibility or will Bleemcast do what it should of done?
8. Will programmers leave the PS2 for easier harware (X-Box, DC)
Wel; those are my main reasons. Price is the most important thing. If many haven't noticed Americans go for the latest thing and the cheapest one also...
-Zypher
"Why flock to something already surpassed and unwilling to except that it has already been beaten, not by the DC or X-Box, but the consumers..."
Oh and EBE or whatever they call you, your a real ******* and I don't believe anyone likes you so don't even give me any shit about this post...
Thankyou
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SonyFan
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From: Indiana
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 05:01 AM 
Why would we harrass you? These are legitimate concernes. Here's my speculations and answers.
1. If people are willing to pay 120 dollars for Nike shoes just because they have Michael Jordan's "Approval", then yes.. I think American's will buy the hype.
2. Sony is waiting and working on it's Broadband network to get going. Now that's not to say that online head-to-head play won't be available. If Sony dosen't pick up the slack in the Narrowband area, then someone else will. There's already modem peripherals planned and on their way.
3. First off, it wasn't just Square that made the PSX a success. Alot of other companies, including Sony, did. Square will develop Final Fantasy and a plethora of other games for the PS2 though.
4. At first there will be a few games, but give it time. The PS2 probably won't be an overnight success and many people will simply wait until it's library of games builds. That's true of every console.
5. Yes and Sort of. The PS2 is so differently designed from standard PC archetecture that it does make it hard to develop for. Expecially if (Like many companies were) you make the game on the PC first and then transfer it over to the PS2. Those developers who have had their dev kits the longest are finding it quite a bit easier to develop for than others who got their dev kits late. Read IGN's interview with the designers of Summoner to get a better idea of what I'm talking about.
6. Not really, but it will matter to the even larger population who dosen't already have a DVD player. DVD is a budding market still and just like Japan.. expect to see a HUGE surge in DVD sales after it's launch.
7. The PS2 will succeed because of other reasons than it's backwards compatablility, though it is a nice bonus. Bleemcast supports only 400 games.. PS2 supports nearly all of them save 40 or so (assuming N.America's incompatability rate is compairable to Japans). Bleem is in deep legal trouble right now with Bleemcast and we'll have to wait and hear the judges decision before relying on Bleemcast to be around for awhile.
8. Perhaps a few, but not nearly as many as most people would like us PS2 fans to think. By the time the Xbox and Dolphin is released programmers will have a much easier time developing for the PS2 and Middleware companys will have had the chance to get out in force with new programs. Besides.. why would they pass up the chance to develop for a console which has the best chance of taking up the majority of the market share again? PSX is old news now, but developers aren't jumping ship to the DC... some are developing for both and some have just decided to skip the DC and develop for the PS2.
Yes, pricing is important, but the PSX cost the same ammount at it's launch and look at it now. I don't think pricing will be much of an issue for too long.
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Avatarr
Angel of Hell
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Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 05:13 AM
lemme just point one thing out. It isn't the programming language of the PS2 itself thats hard it's it's architechture. They can stack up all the libraries they want but developers will still have to tackle it's "unusual architechture". I am of course talking about the PS2's over reliance on texture streaming to do it's job. Developers will hafta do some extreme micro management to keep the VRAM open for textures and the frame buffer at the same time. It won't be a problem when we play the games, the streaming will be seemingly invisble (or unoticable, if you like) but programming a good game with a rich environment is like playing 3 Pax Imeria Empires all at the same time.
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THE EYE
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From: Dïż½sseldorf, NRW, Germany
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 05:30 AM
Will this ever end ??? 
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Avatarr
Angel of Hell
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posted 06-05-2000 05:47 AM
I want PS2 2 come out already!
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fastson
Too Fast For Some
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From: Kalmar, Sweden
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 06:34 AM  
Sooooon just 4 months left! *droooooling*
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PS2 kicks ass!!!!
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Paul
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posted 06-05-2000 07:09 AM
Rock n Roll forever!!!
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CygnusXI
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From: Mpls, MN, US
Registered: Jan 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 08:27 AM
1. PS2 costs the same as the PSX did at launch, and we all know how crappy that system sold
2. Huh? Well Sony recently teamed up with Sun Microsystems along with others, so online features will, no doubt, be complete.
3. You mean Square, right? Anyway, Square is nice, but to say they pulled PSX out of a hole is inaccurate, at best.
4. Now, are you gonna even look at the facts? The quantity of launch titles for the PS2 will exceed any launch in history.
5. Yes, so far....so I've heard.
6. Not too much, to those that already have a DVD....But, there are those that like to have several DVD's, just like there are those who like to have several game consoles/VCR's/TV's. Just a thought
7. I'm not sure what you mean here. Should Bleem do a PS2 version? Maybe.
8. PS2=selling like hotcakes=Programmers stay. IMO
The above is just my opinion(and a little fact). FWIW.
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DcDuDe999
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Posts: 6
From: SF, CA, USA
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 12:00 PM
In my opinion, Broadband is not the right way to go. It will be really better than narrowband but will casual gamers or people who didn't play online games understand it?? And I don't think add-ons are good. You know how add-ons don't sell well.....
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Chainrxn
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From: Wyoming, United States
Registered: May 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 01:14 PM
well, i'm going to try and answer these questions in my own way. They are very valid points and may end up hurting the PS2 but i really dont think so. Heres why:
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1.Will the hype do well when Americans notice the price?
I think at the launch the only ones who will be buying the system are the hard core gamers or people with money to waste. In either case they really wont care all that much about the price. When the PS2 drops in price a year later is when we will see the mass market start to buy lots of ps2s in my opinion.
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2.Will it try to at least make a network of some sort to please many is not all of the American public that plays online games?
I can see sony letting sega tread the dangerous waters first and if they have any success i can gaurentee you that sony will follow. It all depends on how well sega does. If they dont do all that well i could see sony marketing broadband and narrow band but not putting all that much support into it.
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3.Will Aquare Soft pull the PS2 out of another hole like the PSX?
While Square may be there for the PS2 shortly after launch to deliver some killer apps i dont think you can say that square pulled sony out of a hole with the PSX. I think the first title to get attention nationwide for the PSX was Tomb Raider (speaking from personal experience here).
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4.Even with all the support will gamers flock to the overly priced PS2 to get only a few games?
This goes with my first point. The hard core gamers and people with money to blow wont really care and will buy the games anyway. When we see the price of the PS2 drop is when the Mass market will start to swollow it. Also, i think that the stateside launch of the PS2 will make a heck of a larger impact than the Japanese launch. Just compare the number of titles. And the true killer apps (in my opinion) will be here for launch.
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5.Is it really that hard to program for?
Right now? Maybee. In five months? Definitely not. Some development houses are even coming out right now and saying the PS2 is a joy to develop for (summoner crew, and an anonomous developer on the "Tool"). People will get the hang of the different architechure and will start to program well for the PS2.
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6.Will DVD play matter to the large population that already owns DVD players?
The number of poeple who onw DVD players here is much larger than in Japan but i still dont think it has a long way to go to become a household appliance like the VCR or Computer. So in a way yes. It wont make as big of an impact here as in japan but it still will make an impact.
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7.Can PS2 suceed with it's backword compadibility or will Bleemcast do what it should of done?
I'm still kind of curious to see what bleemcast can do, Bleem doesnt work all that well on the computer. But it is only really an option for DC owners and i doubt anyone will by a DC for bleemcast. (Stupid decision, a psx costs $100 less, more if you include the cost of the bleemcast packs.)
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8. Will programmers leave the PS2 for easier harware (X-Box, DC)
I dont think so. What i see is that with four (or five) successfull consoles developers are going to have to diversify or take a hit in the profit department. I think the most successfull developers will be the ones who spend equal time on all systems.
Anyway, thats my two cents.
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Ginko
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From: Texas
Registered: Apr 2000
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posted 06-05-2000 01:35 PM
The things I see hitting really hard are:
The add-ons, this is such a wrong way to go. The market splits up considerably and isn't as effective as "out of the box" so everyone gets it.
Broadband is a good idea...for PS3. No ones really ready for it yet. On-line gaming hasn't taken off yet, start at the bottom.
The price...that's alot of money. Hardcore gamers will buy first, just as with the DC. Then when the price drops, they will start to reach a bigger audience. Same happened with PSX.
I think the complexity of it will hurt a little bit, not enough to kill it though. I think Square will be around throughout, and there will always be support because it can sell games (if it has a large Gaming base).
About Square pulling the PSX ahead. Maybe you don't seem to remember but back in 1997 I think it was when FF 7 came out, Saturn and PSX where head to head in sales. When FF7 was announced and released the PSX jumped far ahead. This is just to japan though, I didn't follow what games did it in the States but they were different ones as someone said.
In conclusion, I don't think PS2 is going to be a runaway success as its preceeder was. The competition are all at very equal parts of the field, no one really has an advantage as last time. But PS2 will make a nice little Niche.
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