|
|
|
  UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone!
|
 Playstation 2 Central Forums Main Forum NFL2K1 Unleashed!!!! No Comparisons Just Screenshots!!! (Page 2)
|
| This topic is 3 pages long: 1 2 3 | next newest topic | next oldest topic |
| Author | Topic: NFL2K1 Unleashed!!!! No Comparisons Just Screenshots!!! - (Read 1 Times) |
MeTaL=DeaTh
 Senior Member Posts: 509 |
 posted 08-14-2000 08:26 PM    
ok,price issues i can understand,but i don't understand you downing PS2 pics (saying they're PR jokes or whatever) and then praise any DC game Screenshots...how hypocritical is that?
|
|
jaggies
Senior Member Posts: 436 |
posted 08-14-2000 08:32 PM
I said dc is smoother because ps2 is having troubles with aa and i dont trust anything from ps2 because i dont own a US one and a game that isnt a crap japan port. But i have a dc and have great looking smooth games. I know it nfl2k1 will be really smooth because nfl2k is really smooth. But who knows to sept6 and oct 26. which version is better. ILl make sure i play madden because i can for a dollar for like 15 minutes at rhino video games. But like i said before i like nfl2k1 because of online play and madden because of madden. [This message has been edited by jaggies (edited 08-14-2000).]
|
|
jaggies
Senior Member Posts: 436 |
posted 08-14-2000 08:37 PM
Arguing will you metal death is pointless because you have your head so far wedge up sonys ass. You can feed all the bull shit but untill things change ps2 is a jaggie piece of shit japan console with harldy any games and a high price. [This message has been edited by jaggies (edited 08-14-2000).]
|
|
Vertical694
Senior Member Posts: 395 |
posted 08-14-2000 08:39 PM
The blending technique Volition is using gets rid of the flicker (which was the real problem about jaggies not AA)and has the nice side effect of getting rid of jaggies.I doubt any consoles this generation with use FSAA regularly,probably the next generation it will.Also isn't the blending technique Volition is using is also being used in almost all the DC games,i'm sure it does.
|
|
MeTaL=DeaTh
Senior Member Posts: 509 |
posted 08-14-2000 08:45 PM
like i said before,i see jags in the NFL2k1 pics posted...how will it smoother than Madden by the way? no one has seen the full Madden game in motion,it's not out yet,so just because you don't own a PS2,that makes you an expert on it's graphical visuals of the games? i seen plenty of game reviews of PS2 games and some recieved great marks on their graphics.
|
|
jaggies
Senior Member Posts: 436 |
posted 08-14-2000 08:54 PM
nfl2k1 could have ******* stick figures running around on the field as long as its online it still be better than madden.
|
|
MeTaL=DeaTh
Senior Member Posts: 509 |
posted 08-14-2000 09:07 PM
quote: it's pointless because you have no real answer,so you jump down on me (i see this all the time from fanboys,they refuse to reply back because they have no real substance to their rants) quote: the price is no higher than what the original PSX sold for,another excuse. jags are on all games,denial of the truth hurts. show me a pic of a complete jag free game on DC (remember i can it is cgi or fmv too,if you show it,just like you've done but i won't need too,just post the pic Jaggies)
|
|
jaggies
Senior Member Posts: 436 |
posted 08-14-2000 09:15 PM
Go look at the fssa screens of ready to rumble yourself. I think nfl2k1 will be smoother so what.I dont give a shit what you think ps2 is having aa difficulties. They still have no way that dosent take a huge performance hit. for 300.00 iam glad your happy with 30 fps shitty dark textures. id rather save 300.00 for xbox witch has a hd included,better specs, easyer to develope for. [This message has been edited by jaggies (edited 08-14-2000).]
|
|
Vertical694
Senior Member Posts: 395 |
posted 08-14-2000 09:15 PM
quote: The jaggie issue is way overblown by the media.The only really bad jaggie game was RRV and that was because it runs at 640X240 resolution (correct me if i'm wrong).Many of the U.S launch games have very little jaggies that's barly noticable at best. quote: The reason DC games are is smoother is from what I read is that the DC uses the same blending technique Volition is using in Summoner,but the DC uses it by default.Also its not about AA its about interlace flicker,that's what really causing the problem from what I read.
|
|
Vertical694
Senior Member Posts: 395 |
posted 08-14-2000 09:27 PM
I see Jaggies care more about AA and visuals.I guess whatever makes you happy.
|
|
jaggies
Senior Member Posts: 436 |
posted 08-14-2000 09:36 PM
Nope because if that was true i wouldnt have ps2 ever or a playstation,n64,dreamcast,nes,snes. If i want the best graphics id have to buy a sg or gscube forgot the name but its like 16 ps2 connected that make cg graphics in game.
|
|
MeTaL=DeaTh
Senior Member Posts: 509 |
posted 08-14-2000 09:59 PM
Jaggies i seen R.T.R. (if anything has dark use of graphics,it's that game,most of the background is black - obviously to filter out graphic impurities and not have to show much polygon use except in the characters),it's not really a game to show off fsaa usage. you can see in jaggies in it too though,if you are looking for them. i have not played PS2 games to judge fps speeds or dark textures,maybe because they haven't arrived yet to the all the world,ya' think!? plus where did you come up with PS2 graphics having dark textures,first is the programmer who puts that in games (oh i forget,some think PS2 can't handle textures so how could they be dark even...) and if it is so,i'd rather they be dark than bland! A lot of people think DC has bland texturing. what you think is not fact Jaggies,so feel free to let go of that ideology anytime you want,it doesn't hold water to think your precious NFL2k1 is better visually than Madden. i think both games look good at this point myself,it's what you prefer,but don't down PS2 and all it's games jaggies pieces of chit just because you don't like Madden...
|
|
Ktulu
Senior Member Posts: 401 |
posted 08-15-2000 12:33 AM
quote: I've got to respond to this. Tell me jaggies, would you ditch NFL2k1 if QB Club for PS2 had online play and 2k1 didn't? Would you ditch THE GODLY Soul Calibur / VF3tb / any DC fighter if Tekken Tag had online play? Would you ditch anything on the Dreamcast if the PS2 "equivalent" had online play Online does NOT make it better. Tokyo Extreme Racer 2 is a kick ass game. Is Spirit of Speed better because it's two player? NO. It's a stupid ass feature. It does NOT make the game better, just like: zone coverage, lead blocking, franchise mode, more depth didn't make Madden a better game than NFL2k last year (supposedly). It amazes me how these NFL2k1 preachers are willing to say that online alone makes the game better, when last year their game had 20% the options and depth that Madden had - but was "better" then too. It's a sweet feature, granted. But if you love the Madden engine, features won't sway you. Wanna give up Virtua Tennis if the PS2 releases a tennis game with online play? NO. Now, as far as these mags saying "it played Lag free!", I have one response: try dialing into AOL on peak hours. Lag free when there are only 20 users nationwide. Wow, that's amazing. I want to see how that mofo performs with several hundred thousand online. Test THAT. And get your ass off that silly jaggies bandwagon. Expect more from a $300 game console? It's a $200 console with a $100 DVD player (cheap for DVD). First the Sega-ites bitch "Sony is all about entertainment! They care more about DVD movies than games!" Then they say they're paying $300 for a game system and conveniently forget about the DVD feature. Make up yo damn minds. Y'all just need to quit the bullshit. Quit ragging on the other systems. Quit jumping on stupid bandwagons.
|
|
VP
Member Posts: 73 |
posted 08-15-2000 02:08 AM Online play does not make a better game just like franchise mode doesn't make a better game, if Nfl2k1 will be better then Madden2001, it will be because of the GAMEPLAY. I'm tired of hearing all these (Nfl2k1 vs. Madden2001) battles, with Sega-fanboys throwing around 'online play' all the time and Sony-fanboys throwing around 'franchise mode' ...gameplay makes a game better. [This message has been edited by VP (edited 08-15-2000).]
|
|
Simchoy
Senior Member Posts: 922 |
posted 08-15-2000 02:26 AM 
Jaggies argement is becoming a mute point, and to a certain extent, completely hypocritical. Ready 2 Rumble is the only game that I know of on the DC that uses true FSAA. All other games use what Volition is using. I was watching my cousins play Marvel vs. Capcom 2, now, during play, I didn't see jaggies, but when they stoped and the charecters were just standing around (they left to celebrate my uncle cutting the cake [it was his birthday]), and what did I see? Jaggies!!! Now, did this revelation take away that the game kicksass? Hell No. So why would Madden, and in the case of the posted NFL2k1 pics, make it any worse of a game? The only game that got truely ripped by reviewers on the jaggie issue on the PS2, is RRV. DOA2 PS2's Japanese version had the issue brought up, but most reviewers said that they aren't noticable unless you are looking for them. Now, this was launch and near launch games of the PS2 back in March. What happened to the issue now? It all but dissappeared, brought up only by anti-Sony Fanboys. Sheesh. ------------------
|
|
VP
Member Posts: 73 |
posted 08-15-2000 03:07 AM Jaggies aren't that noticeable when you are playing a game and it doesn't make much differnce anyway because its not like the PS2's graphics are good enough for us to confuse it as 'real'. The only games I've seen were Jaggies take away from emergence of the game are Virtua Tennis(please don't abuse this) and MGS2. See this screenshot, it's very beautiful, but in this case we would notice the Jaggies in gameplay:
However like I said in most games its not noticeable in the gameplay unless you are looking for it. Here is a Bouncer pic where you wouldn't notice these jaggies during gameplay.
|
|
Solidus
Member Posts: 281 |
posted 08-15-2000 03:21 AM
quote: Ahh, no. Those jaggies in that picture are obviously because of the screen capture. I think you should know that by now.
|
|
Simchoy
Senior Member Posts: 922 |
posted 08-15-2000 03:31 AM
Lets not forget, MGS2 won't be out for another year or so. Even if the "jaggies" problem in that pic isn't solved, it really shouldn't take away from the game. After all, unless you are obsessing with the issue (Jaggies) the game should be fun if they got the story and the gameplay right (the graphics won't be a huge issue unless it looks like completely blocky and few colors that would make the old Atari games look good, something MGS2 doesn't appear to have a problem with). ------------------
|
|
VP
Member Posts: 73 |
posted 08-15-2000 03:32 AM quote: It never ends does it. Can you not accept that the game has jaggies? It will still be an excellent title, probably one of the best (if not THE best) games of 2002. I was simply pointing out that jaggies are NOT apparent in MOST games during gameplay, then you come back by blaming the screen capture for the reason there are jaggies in that pic. *shakes head*
|
|
Solidus
Member Posts: 281 |
posted 08-15-2000 03:49 AM
I know the damn game has jaggies. I am not saying it doesn't. I'm saying 99% of the jaggies in that picture are because of the capture. Same with every other damn PS2 game. Even Summoner has jaggies in the pics, when they won't even be in the game.
|
|
GurYuShKA
Junior Member Posts: 40 |
posted 08-16-2000 03:08 AM
i want it
|
|
darendt
Member Posts: 60 |
posted 08-16-2000 10:01 AM
ALL Games have Jaggies to some extent. This entire point is completly stupid Oh one more thing all these screen shots are nice to get an idea of what the games are going to look like, but by no means are they true representations of how the game will look in real life. Use these pics how they are intended, as a teaser of the enviornment the game will be set in, not as a tool to say that you see flaws. I am finished.. [This message has been edited by darendt (edited 08-16-2000).]
|
|
Bobs_Hardware
Member Posts: 259 |
posted 08-16-2000 10:06 AM
well if there are jaggies in a game that is truely interactive (that means everything) you should be able to cut your self on them, then they would effect the quality of the game.................my point is, who cares about jaggies because they dont effect the gameplay ------------------
|
|
Soul Reaver
YouR SouL is MinE Posts: 344 |
posted 08-16-2000 03:11 PM 
All I know is that I'm getting NFL2K1... 
------------------
|
|
MeTaL=DeaTh
Senior Member Posts: 509 |
posted 08-17-2000 07:35 PM
DC shot of Tony Hawk game (*gasp,i thought only PS2 had jags* ) http://viewer.ign.com/media_page.jsp?width=640&height=480&media=http://dcmedia.ign.com/media/previews/image/tonyhawk2/bg06.jpg&media_type=P&object_id=14676&adtag=size%3D468x60%26ne twork%3Dign%26category%3Ddreamcast%26site%3Ddreamcast%26genre%3Dsports&ign_section=4&media_name=Look+out+for+that+wall%2C+man%21well if anyone says only screenshots of PS2 games have jaggies,lets remind them of DC pics showing jags too...maybe the one-way presentations will stop then (not likely though) [This message has been edited by MeTaL=DeaTh (edited 08-17-2000).]
|
|
jaggies
Senior Member Posts: 436 |
posted 08-17-2000 07:55 PM
I want tell you for the last TIME STOP READING SHIT INTO MY POSTS. Back at the japan launch ps2 games didnt have any type of AA or FSAA . Reasons i hear was time,the didnt know how,and they didnt chose to because the fsaa caused a performance hit. (then summoner dev.came up of a better ,easyer way but it still takes a performance hit but isnt as bad as the japan launch games) Dc has an equal amout of jaggies because it dosent use fsaa it uses techeques like summoners developers. But overall DC is better machine for AA or fsaa because it dosent take as much as a performance hit as ps2. If what summoner said is true (part of it they lied no performance hit my ass but oddworld developers said they was lieing) Cant wait till oct 26 the guy at rhino video games owns a jap. ps2 and lots of jap. games and is also getting a us ps2 and games because its a rental store that also lets you test out games for 15 minutes for a 1.00. [This message has been edited by jaggies (edited 08-17-2000).]
|
|
VP
Member Posts: 73 |
posted 08-17-2000 08:02 PM LOL, Tony Hawk is one of the worst looking DC games, it is just a simple psx port after all. Of course its going to have jaggies, along with low polygon character models and choppy animation.
|
|
jaggies
Senior Member Posts: 436 |
posted 08-17-2000 08:05 PM
Unless you play tony hawk or have the demo like me for the dc version STICK THEM SCREENS UP YOUR ASS because they mean nothing. ILL get back to you ill point out all the jags i see on tony hawk .
|
|
Dojo?
Member Posts: 211 |
posted 08-17-2000 08:14 PM
That's pretty bad that the DC Tony Hawk is only 30fps.
|
|
MeTaL=DeaTh
Senior Member Posts: 509 |
posted 08-17-2000 08:10 PM
Jaggies,no i'm not reading into your posts,in fact i'm not even replying to you directly. i posted mine in response to VP's pics,refering that PS2 games only seem to have jags in their pics,but clearly not the case (as seen in the DC pic),but if you want to be included with the reply out of envy or whatever,by all means go ahead...
|
|
Phill
Member Posts: 184 |
posted 08-17-2000 08:18 PM
Madden on the PS2 is way better than NFL2K1. Don't argue, I know what I'm talking about!
|
|
jaggies
Senior Member Posts: 436 |
posted 08-17-2000 08:23 PM
making fun thps running 30 fps when a action rpg on ps2 cant even run a steady 30fps yet. ALL you hear is summoners developers saying yea its running at 15 fps right now but we could easly make that 30 fps. Well see but the game should still be fun ok if thps is jaggie and runs at 30 fps but i still played it and it got a high score.SO should summoner. If you want 60 fps and easy to develop with aa that dosent take a performance hit with great textures youd need xbox or dolphin because thats what the rumors from the developer community can bring See the middle paragraph is total bullshit but i posted it just to show you i was actult trying to post something good. But i still got a smart ass remark form metal death even tho i was not talking about just him [This message has been edited by jaggies (edited 08-17-2000).]
|
|
MeTaL=DeaTh
Senior Member Posts: 509 |
posted 08-17-2000 08:23 PM
by the way that pic is from T.H.2,so it's not just a PSX port. here's the info for it; http://dreamcast.ign.com/previews/14676.html
|
|
jaggies
Senior Member Posts: 436 |
posted 08-17-2000 08:31 PM
http://dreamcast.ign.com/reviews/13716.html 9.8 must be pretty ******* decent. [This message has been edited by jaggies (edited 08-17-2000).]
|
|
VP
Member Posts: 73 |
posted 08-17-2000 08:49 PM quote: Please don't use the straw man fallacy against me. I never said only PS2 games have jaggies in them. In fact, if I quote myself, I said something to the note of jaggies usually NOT being apparent in gameplay and that Virtua Tennis (a DC game) has jaggies. And if you think Tony Hawk 2 is being built from ground up for the DC, you're sadly mistaken. It too will be a port in some form or another.
|
|
This topic is 3 pages long: 1 2 3
All times are ET (US) |
next newest topic | next oldest topic |
|
|
|
 
|
|
Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Version 5.44a
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.
. Tell me this, if you are playing the game, any game and you are truly emersed in the game play, you are not going to give a $hit if there are a few jaggies. If you are, you are completley Anal or the game just sucks and doesnt have your full attention.